“要做接地氣的蔬菜種子”
——訪天津科潤蔬菜研究(jiu)所所長張斌

圖為天津科潤蔬菜研究所所長張斌在大棚內觀察苦瓜生長情況。資料圖
本(ben)報記者 蘆曉春
天津科潤蔬菜研究所前身是天津市蔬菜研究所,目前是一家從事蔬菜育種、蔬菜栽培、蔬菜生理、生物工程等新技術研究與開發的企業化的研究機構,先后培育出花椰菜、白菜、西瓜、甜瓜(gua)、茄子等十(shi)幾大類(lei)200余個優良蔬菜品(pin)種。
作為民族蔬菜種業的一部分,天津科潤蔬菜研究所曾獲國家科技發明獎(jiang)(jiang)、國家科技(ji)(ji)(ji)進(jin)步獎(jiang)(jiang)及部市級科技(ji)(ji)(ji)成果獎(jiang)(jiang)60項,并連續(xu)三(san)年獲得天津市科技(ji)(ji)(ji)進(jin)步一等(deng)(deng)獎(jiang)(jiang),推(tui)動(dong)了我國蔬(shu)(shu)菜品種(zhong)育種(zhong)水平的提高。近日,記者就民族(zu)蔬(shu)(shu)菜品種(zhong)現(xian)狀、蔬(shu)(shu)菜商業化(hua)育種(zhong)、蔬(shu)(shu)菜育種(zhong)技(ji)(ji)(ji)術創(chuang)新等(deng)(deng)話題專(zhuan)訪了該研究所(suo)所(suo)長(chang)張斌。
記者:近年來國際種業大公司大舉進軍我(wo)(wo)國(guo)蔬(shu)(shu)菜(cai)(cai)(cai)種業市(shi)場,不斷“蠶食”國(guo)內蔬(shu)(shu)菜(cai)(cai)(cai)種子市(shi)場,有人(ren)說(shuo)目(mu)前國(guo)外的蔬(shu)(shu)菜(cai)(cai)(cai)種子占(zhan)了國(guo)內市(shi)場很大的份額,擔心我(wo)(wo)們民族(zu)蔬(shu)(shu)菜(cai)(cai)(cai)種子已經不行了。對此,您(nin)如何看待?
張斌:出現這種(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)擔憂是(shi)正常的(de)(de),但是(shi)說(shuo)我們(men)自己的(de)(de)蔬菜種(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)業快不行(xing)了(le)是(shi)言(yan)過(guo)其實。實際上(shang),國外的(de)(de)蔬菜種(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)子(zi)占據(ju)的(de)(de)是(shi)一部(bu)分,主要是(shi)高端蔬菜品(pin)(pin)種(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)和溫(wen)(wen)(wen)室(shi)蔬菜品(pin)(pin)種(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)這兩塊,這都(dou)是(shi)我們(men)以前沒(mei)做(zuo)過(guo)的(de)(de)東西。像溫(wen)(wen)(wen)室(shi)大棚,我們(men)過(guo)去都(dou)沒(mei)有(you),更不用說(shuo)溫(wen)(wen)(wen)室(shi)育種(zhong)(zhong)(zhong),等我們(men)溫(wen)(wen)(wen)室(shi)大棚增長起(qi)來了(le),人家(jia)溫(wen)(wen)(wen)室(shi)育種(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)都(dou)搞了(le)上(shang)百年了(le),我們(men)到現在才二十來年,跟人家(jia)比(bi)肯定是(shi)有(you)差距(ju)的(de)(de)。還(huan)有(you)像洋蔥、菠菜、白蘿卜之類的(de)(de)品(pin)(pin)種(zhong)(zhong)(zhong),這些過(guo)去種(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)的(de)(de)少,國家(jia)也(ye)沒(mei)有(you)投錢讓科研單(dan)位去搞育種(zhong)(zhong)(zhong),所以現在做(zuo)時(shi)間上(shang)就有(you)點晚了(le),與國外比(bi)也(ye)不太(tai)行(xing)。所以這兩塊暫(zan)時(shi)出現問題是(shi)很正常的(de)(de)。
但是,我們也有一些沒有出問題的,比如天津的黃瓜、大白菜(cai),這些我(wo)們都掌握在自(zi)己手(shou)里。而且,我(wo)們這幾(ji)年(nian)也在追趕,過去沒有做(zuo)過的品(pin)種我(wo)們積極從國(guo)外吸收引進,現在做(zuo)得也比較好,距離也在一點(dian)點(dian)縮小。
記者(zhe):相(xiang)比(bi)國外蔬菜育種,我們國內存在哪些不足?
張斌:除了上(shang)(shang)(shang)面(mian)所說的(de)關于我(wo)(wo)們(men)(men)(men)之前一些沒(mei)有(you)(you)做(zuo)過的(de)品種(zhong)(zhong)在(zai)育(yu)種(zhong)(zhong)上(shang)(shang)(shang)與國(guo)外(wai)存(cun)在(zai)差(cha)距外(wai),還(huan)主(zhu)要表現在(zai)兩個(ge)方面(mian),一個(ge)是(shi)(shi)技術上(shang)(shang)(shang),從整個(ge)蔬菜(cai)(cai)育(yu)種(zhong)(zhong)技術來看,國(guo)內的(de)分(fen)子生物(wu)育(yu)種(zhong)(zhong)技術還(huan)普(pu)遍比較差(cha)。再一個(ge)就是(shi)(shi)我(wo)(wo)們(men)(men)(men)的(de)蔬菜(cai)(cai)商業化(hua)育(yu)種(zhong)(zhong)整體上(shang)(shang)(shang)也比較差(cha),在(zai)理念上(shang)(shang)(shang)和體系(xi)上(shang)(shang)(shang),大(da)多數育(yu)種(zhong)(zhong)科研(yan)機構都沒(mei)有(you)(you)建(jian)立起來,普(pu)遍還(huan)是(shi)(shi)家(jia)庭(ting)作(zuo)坊式(shi)小(xiao)而全的(de)套(tao)路(lu),而不是(shi)(shi)一個(ge)商業化(hua)的(de)流程。國(guo)外(wai)做(zuo)的(de)是(shi)(shi)商業化(hua)流程,他們(men)(men)(men)分(fen)段(duan)做(zuo)、分(fen)工做(zuo),我(wo)(wo)們(men)(men)(men)國(guo)內大(da)多數還(huan)是(shi)(shi)這種(zhong)(zhong)課(ke)題組式(shi)、家(jia)庭(ting)作(zuo)坊式(shi)的(de),這是(shi)(shi)影響我(wo)(wo)們(men)(men)(men)國(guo)家(jia)蔬菜(cai)(cai)育(yu)種(zhong)(zhong)發展最(zui)大(da)的(de)因素。
記者:現在國家已(yi)經出臺相關措施(shi),促使我(wo)們的育(yu)種模式(shi)向商業(ye)化(hua)育(yu)種邁進,那么(me)科潤蔬菜研究(jiu)所在商業(ye)化(hua)育(yu)種上(shang)做了哪些嘗試?
張斌:商(shang)業(ye)化育種(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)體(ti)系是(shi)(shi)(shi)一(yi)個很龐(pang)大(da)的(de)(de)體(ti)系,現在也很難一(yi)下子(zi)就(jiu)建立起(qi)來,但(dan)是(shi)(shi)(shi)我(wo)(wo)們(men)先在理念上(shang)逐漸向(xiang)商(shang)業(ye)化育種(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)推進。所(suo)(suo)謂商(shang)業(ye)化育種(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)(zhong),我(wo)(wo)們(men)的(de)(de)理解就(jiu)是(shi)(shi)(shi)把育出(chu)來的(de)(de)品(pin)種(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)商(shang)業(ye)化了(le),所(suo)(suo)以近些年(nian)我(wo)(wo)們(men)研究所(suo)(suo)主要(yao)是(shi)(shi)(shi)在白菜(cai)、菜(cai)花等比較強(qiang)的(de)(de)項目上(shang)往(wang)商(shang)業(ye)化育種(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)上(shang)靠(kao)攏,我(wo)(wo)們(men)培育出(chu)來的(de)(de)是(shi)(shi)(shi)“接地氣(qi)的(de)(de)品(pin)種(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)”,意思(si)就(jiu)是(shi)(shi)(shi)農(nong)民(min)買賬的(de)(de)品(pin)種(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)。我(wo)(wo)們(men)的(de)(de)考核(he)機制是(shi)(shi)(shi)以品(pin)種(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)效(xiao)益為根本,說(shuo)白了(le)就(jiu)是(shi)(shi)(shi)要(yao)把品(pin)種(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)賣(mai)(mai)(mai)到農(nong)民(min)手里(li),農(nong)民(min)評價高才是(shi)(shi)(shi)有用(yong)的(de)(de)品(pin)種(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)。在此(ci)之外(wai),凡是(shi)(shi)(shi)賣(mai)(mai)(mai)不動的(de)(de)都(dou)是(shi)(shi)(shi)“次品(pin)種(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)”,在我(wo)(wo)們(men)這里(li)一(yi)分錢(qian)也不值。所(suo)(suo)以我(wo)(wo)們(men)的(de)(de)考核(he)機制不像(xiang)大(da)學和科研單位那樣,我(wo)(wo)們(men)不以發了(le)多(duo)少(shao)SSCI論文、出(chu)了(le)多(duo)少(shao)書、得了(le)多(duo)少(shao)獎(jiang)等為考核(he)標準,只(zhi)要(yao)把品(pin)種(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)賣(mai)(mai)(mai)出(chu)去,有這些東西更好,但(dan)是(shi)(shi)(shi)品(pin)種(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)賣(mai)(mai)(mai)不出(chu)去,這些都(dou)是(shi)(shi)(shi)零。這種(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)考核(he)機制也促成了(le)我(wo)(wo)們(men)蔬(shu)菜(cai)研究所(suo)(suo)的(de)(de)效(xiao)益在整(zheng)個種(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)(zhong)子(zi)市場不景氣(qi)的(de)(de)情(qing)況下,連續多(duo)年(nian)兩位數上(shang)升(sheng)。
記者:在育種和制種技術上,科潤蔬菜研(yan)究(jiu)所進行了(le)哪(na)些創(chuang)新呢(ni)?
張斌:我們(men)(men)(men)建(jian)立(li)了(le)完善的(de)技(ji)術(shu)創新(xin)體(ti)系(xi),首(shou)先是育(yu)(yu)(yu)(yu)種(zhong)(zhong)技(ji)術(shu)創新(xin),在(zai)單倍體(ti)育(yu)(yu)(yu)(yu)種(zhong)(zhong)方(fang)(fang)面,創建(jian)了(le)規模化、高(gao)效化大(da)(da)白(bai)(bai)菜(cai)、菜(cai)花、苤(pie)藍小孢子(zi)培養資源創新(xin)技(ji)術(shu)體(ti)系(xi),優(you)異(yi)資源創新(xin),育(yu)(yu)(yu)(yu)成一(yi)批(pi)優(you)良新(xin)品(pin)種(zhong)(zhong),提(ti)高(gao)了(le)育(yu)(yu)(yu)(yu)種(zhong)(zhong)效率(lv),縮短了(le)育(yu)(yu)(yu)(yu)種(zhong)(zhong)周期,我們(men)(men)(men)的(de)研(yan)究(jiu)水平居國內領先。在(zai)分子(zi)標(biao)記(ji)育(yu)(yu)(yu)(yu)種(zhong)(zhong)方(fang)(fang)面,我們(men)(men)(men)構(gou)建(jian)了(le)第一(yi)張花椰菜(cai)遺傳圖譜,初步(bu)構(gou)建(jian)了(le)青(qing)麻(ma)葉(xie)(xie)大(da)(da)白(bai)(bai)菜(cai)抗(kang)干燒心病遺傳分離群體(ti),并開始進行分子(zi)圖譜構(gou)建(jian)及分子(zi)標(biao)記(ji)研(yan)究(jiu)。在(zai)雄性(xing)(xing)不育(yu)(yu)(yu)(yu)育(yu)(yu)(yu)(yu)種(zhong)(zhong)方(fang)(fang)面,我們(men)(men)(men)的(de)菜(cai)花、大(da)(da)白(bai)(bai)菜(cai)的(de)全部(bu)親(qin)本均已轉育(yu)(yu)(yu)(yu)成雄性(xing)(xing)不育(yu)(yu)(yu)(yu)系(xi),種(zhong)(zhong)子(zi)純度達到(dao)100%,我們(men)(men)(men)還率(lv)先開展芹菜(cai)雄性(xing)(xing)不育(yu)(yu)(yu)(yu)研(yan)究(jiu),育(yu)(yu)(yu)(yu)成了(le)芹菜(cai)不育(yu)(yu)(yu)(yu)系(xi)雜(za)交品(pin)種(zhong)(zhong)。在(zai)抗(kang)逆(ni)育(yu)(yu)(yu)(yu)種(zhong)(zhong)方(fang)(fang)面,我們(men)(men)(men)率(lv)先開展了(le)青(qing)麻(ma)葉(xie)(xie)大(da)(da)白(bai)(bai)菜(cai)、不結(jie)球白(bai)(bai)菜(cai)、芹菜(cai)等(deng)蔬(shu)菜(cai)作(zuo)物(wu)耐抽(chou)薹(tai)評價鑒(jian)定體(ti)系(xi)研(yan)究(jiu),建(jian)立(li)了(le)相應作(zuo)物(wu)的(de)耐抽(chou)薹(tai)評價鑒(jian)定體(ti)系(xi),并應用于育(yu)(yu)(yu)(yu)種(zhong)(zhong)實踐。
記者:作為民族種業的(de)一部分,科潤蔬(shu)菜研究(jiu)所下一步的(de)計劃是什(shen)么?
張斌:首先要(yao)把(ba)商業(ye)化(hua)育種(zhong)的(de)(de)(de)理念進一步(bu)滲透,以企業(ye)行為運營我(wo)(wo)們(men)(men)(men)(men)研(yan)究(jiu)所(suo),把(ba)我(wo)(wo)們(men)(men)(men)(men)的(de)(de)(de)蔬菜育種(zhong)完全(quan)面向市場,從(cong)考核(he)機制(zhi)、管(guan)理機制(zhi)上繼續(xu)推(tui)動(dong)研(yan)究(jiu)所(suo)向商業(ye)化(hua)育種(zhong)邁(mai)進。同時,面對國外(wai)蔬菜種(zhong)業(ye)對我(wo)(wo)們(men)(men)(men)(men)民族種(zhong)業(ye)的(de)(de)(de)沖擊,我(wo)(wo)們(men)(men)(men)(men)有(you)義務扛起壯大民族種(zhong)業(ye)的(de)(de)(de)旗幟(zhi),與國外(wai)種(zhong)企進行抗(kang)衡。盡管(guan)我(wo)(wo)們(men)(men)(men)(men)力量還很(hen)薄弱,只(zhi)要(yao)把(ba)我(wo)(wo)們(men)(men)(men)(men)能做(zuo)(zuo)(zuo)的(de)(de)(de)育種(zhong)研(yan)究(jiu)做(zuo)(zuo)(zuo)好,就離做(zuo)(zuo)(zuo)大做(zuo)(zuo)(zuo)強的(de)(de)(de)目標不遠了。













